"plaster"

February 20, 2008

a few weeks ago, one of our top LP fan sites, LP association, posted an old demo version of one step closer, back when it was still called “plaster.” they did a piece on the article which seemed to be searching for facts and trying to figure out the authenticity of the recording. i heard it, and i thought i’d try to help out.

LP Association article and links to song HERE

the track found on their link is actually a rough of the song in its final stages, after we had finished all the recording, but before a final mix. we were trying to decide who should mix the album, and we had our hearts set on andy wallace. our A&R guy’s boss at WB was david kahne.

according to our A&R guy at the time: david was one of the people who wasn’t 100% impressed with our band and our sound, and wanted to take a crack at mixing this song in order to improve things (and obviously try to convince us to let him mix the record). this may or may not be true, but that’s what we were told. obviously, david did a good job (the lpassociation mp3 is his mix)…but we decided to stick with our gut and go with andy. we had a feeling that andy, who mixed nirvana’s “nevermind,” would be a better fit for us.

some of the differences you can hear between “plaster” and the final album mix (by andy wallace)…

the main things that i remember sticking out to me when i first heard it was that david’s mix made the verses sound thick (because of the low end) and therefore the choruses lost a little bit of their punch.

some samples also stood out. the camera shutter-ish samples you hear in david’s mix are actually in the final andy wallace mix as well, but they’re mixed quieter (and thinner, i think). we liked them quieter in andy’s mix because they put more emphasis on the groove of rob’s drums.

finally, a deciding factor for brad and i against david’s mix was the edit to the “shut up” stuff–putting it in the intro. it made it sound like a remix, and ruined the surprise of the “shut up” coming in during the bridge (our thought was: if you’ve already heard that vocal part, the bridge packs less of a punch. it ruined the climax). that made me feel like we didn’t really see eye-to-eye on this mix, so although the mix was good overall, we chose to have andy mix the song and album.

in david’s interview with lpassociaton, he is (understandably) fuzzy about the details of our relationship back then. maybe it’s because he was dealing with many bands, while we, on the other hand, were only dealing with one album, and one label. hopefully i can help out by putting some details out there. david wasn’t involved with us when mark was in the band–he may have heard of us, but he didn’t work on our stuff. he did, however, get involved a bit once we were in the studio, by hearding demos and giving feedback–the same thing many label people and A&R folks do.

as you’ve heard, though, much of the feedback we got from the label at that time didn’t line up with the album we wanted to make or the band we wanted to be, so we chose to follow our own path.

the good and bad news about “plaster” is that i can’t think of another, earlier demo of the song that would really exist. the only step before this one probably wouldn’t have included any lyrics, but all the instrumental tracks would essentially be the same. as we wrote the song, we immediately recorded it, so that is to say there is only one recording; the first notes of the demo were in the same protools file that the song was finished in. there are no “live” demos, nor “garage recordings” of the song. so this version of “plaster” might be the earliest version out there.

mike

mike

72 Comments

  1. Hardik on March 12, 2008 at 6:32 am

    Hi,

    I have also made different style of one step closer which contains the various shut-up sequences of LP albums. Itโ€™s totally different than the original oneโ€™s rhythm.

    It can be called as an overview of previous Linkin park albums like how you guys have featured different artists. Original one is the best but this different version is worth a try.

    I am thinking about doing some changes in it than I want to submit the track on LPU. I donโ€™t know where to put the track.

    Please Mike help me out for this.๐Ÿ™‚

  2. JPkaukonen on February 27, 2008 at 3:13 am

    THIS IS MY TATTOO MIKE:

    http://www.jpkaukonen.com ,
    I LOVE YOU MIKE < 3

  3. CHEN_IL on February 22, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Interesting:] thanks for the information, i realy wnjoyed reading about plaster:] and I LOVE U!!!!!๐Ÿ˜› haha

  4. Linkin_Paranoik on February 22, 2008 at 5:54 am

    i love plaster, that rocks, thanks for information about it Mike๐Ÿ˜‰
    oh and well..today i got my LPU pack, omg i’m so damn happy..!! it’s amazing…i really really love it yay
    i’m so proud to be a LPU member!
    kisses from Italy..
    love ya Mike.

  5. DaniShinoda on February 21, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Hello Mike, it has been a long time I’m not come here, right? I started on the College and dont have much time… So, thanks for the posts about the demo ‘Plaster’, I imagined that it’s a mix for some idea.
    Love you guy!

  6. ShadowerLiltani on February 21, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    I liked it at first, better than the album version… Then I found out that ya’ll weren’t really behind it… Now I’m not as into it as before, and like the album version better. Anyways, I think it’s great that this was released, it’s like, a blast from the past, man๐Ÿ˜‰ lol.

  7. Marjorielp933 on February 21, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Hi Mike:
    My name is Marjorie and I am fans of “Midnight Soldiers.” I would like to interview you to the club linkin park official Chilean My email is Hybrid_darkgirl@hotmail.com to add me to your email. It will be a pleasure to interview me and the club Chilean LP I hope you see my message. Goodbye

  8. becksgiggs on February 21, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Can’ agree more with the “shut up” part. Thanks for sharing this with us Mike!!!

  9. fanka955 on February 21, 2008 at 9:19 am

    ๐Ÿ™‚ Have a nice Day !! Greetings for You and Anna!!!!

  10. asianotter on February 21, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Mike, thanks for ALWAYS taking the time! you are one of the biggest rockstars on planet and you always have time for the fans! and that’s exactly why LP fans are so loyal. thank you also for your amazing background detail and insight into “Plaster”. thanks, again!

  11. ruri on February 21, 2008 at 9:02 am

    I appreciate your sincere explaining in detail about “Plaster”. It is really interesting for us. Thank you so much!

  12. yanTyan on February 21, 2008 at 9:01 am

    This version is a little b different from the one familiar to us.(Just listening)
    I recognize It’s LP FORMACT, Mikey
    (^ . ^ ).Thanks for sharing your brain belongings.
    i’am so glad to be LP F.
    http://5music.org/Text/43699/

  13. MusicalMorphine on February 21, 2008 at 8:45 am

    That’s interesting to know. Thanks.

    I’ve also been wondering, is there any videos that exist out there from the Xero period?

  14. Ann on February 21, 2008 at 8:30 am

    thanks for talking to us about the ditails of the recording if the song!
    itยดs great to know the truth
    love you!!

  15. Jhuryn on February 21, 2008 at 8:27 am

    Thank you for taking the time to post the correct info! I love hearing behind the scenes stories.

  16. nillp on February 21, 2008 at 8:09 am

    preview video Linkin Park at Apple Soho store here

    ps: it was recorded for a future iTunes release.๐Ÿ™‚

  17. linkinparc on February 21, 2008 at 7:55 am

    hey mike..

    first thank you very much for this, because you just said the “very truth” to us, that’s really kind.

    And I want you to know that I and I think every LP fan appreacciates the time YOU spent for US (i can’t tell that for other members) dave, you and the music of LP are the only reasons why I’m still such an addicted fan.

    thank you very much
    ana

  18. linkingabo on February 21, 2008 at 7:11 am

    hey Wookie my friend….In Yourself you can find on my YouTube channel, thatยดs like a pause/break/interlude song, what the LP played on some/just one concert ;))

  19. LinkinPete on February 21, 2008 at 7:04 am

    Haha, after all the years, itยดs here.. or it has been here for some days, but anyways.. it sounds so cool and strange at the same time to hear the classicยดs demo version after such a long time..

    I agree about the “Shut Up” -part.

    There has been sone debate on the MB about some other demos, such as Papercut, and whether they exist or not..

  20. AS_21 on February 21, 2008 at 6:25 am

    the only thing I can say is… WHOA!!! thanks 4 telling this to us..๐Ÿ™‚ the song is GREAT… love it… take care..

    xx

  21. WookieBastard on February 21, 2008 at 5:40 am

    LP123HELLBIRD… just go to lpfuse.co.uk or lpassociation.com and go down a bit and it’s there, you can’t miss it.

    Anyways… i doubt he’ll ever read this but still:

    Mike, what about Pictureboard? i read in an LPU Chat transcript that you’ve played it at least once in the early days of linkin park… it is rumored that it could be a song recorded live which is known as “In Yourself” or “Be Yourself” as Chester was singing that… any insight on that?

    Looking forward to March, see if another of your demos pops up, lol.

  22. LP123Hellbrid on February 21, 2008 at 5:33 am

    Is this demo available for download or what? Or listening? could someone give a straightfoward link to it?

  23. nillp on February 21, 2008 at 5:14 am

    passing to wish u a great day..๐Ÿ™‚

    love ya ~ โ™ฅ

    mk’nil

  24. linkingabo on February 21, 2008 at 4:49 am

    you like writing lot about the LPยดs things….and we the fans we are very happy,,,THANK YOU SO MUCH…my fave song is the One Step Closer, and my 2nd “a bit lately” X-Mas present was the PLASTER ;)) ………thanx….bye-byeee

  25. kuiz_worldstar on February 21, 2008 at 2:41 am

    thank you too for the news Plaster is very cool song guys. i listen from lprussia…if i didnt remember wrong ^ ^

  26. Ezza on February 21, 2008 at 2:15 am

    thankyou for giving it to us straight so we can cut through all the bullshit out there and take the time to actually tell us anything at all…:)

  27. Fishgoingwest on February 21, 2008 at 1:27 am

    It’s so long and serious apparently~~

    This version is good,but I agree with you and Brad,the final version is better,obviously positive!

    I’m happy to see your long gossip~~

  28. kUmiKo on February 21, 2008 at 12:56 am

    its highly appreciated that you talked about the detail behind recording the song!
    i’ve never minded who mixed a song. and i didnt know that there is another one step closer ,”plaster” mixed by another person and that you chose andy’s one who had mixed the nirvana’s song………
    ill check how defferent between andy’s and david’s tonigh (now im working so….)

  29. kUmiKo on February 21, 2008 at 12:55 am

    its highly appreciated that you talked about the detail behind recording the song!
    i’ve never minded who mixed a song. and i didnt know that there is another one step closer ,”plaster” mixed by another person and that you chose andy’s one who had mixed the nirvana’s song………
    ill check how defferent between andy’s and david’s tonigh (now im working so….)

  30. Jaclyn on February 21, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Thanx a lot for the info ! Very interesting details, you’re good at making things clear. My first impression of Plaster was ‘it’s really rough and fresh’ and it brought me for a moment to that time and place๐Ÿ˜€ So long, Mike, keep on rocking๐Ÿ˜‰

  31. murry on February 20, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    I am so glad you posted this. That has been bothering me ever since the track was released. I immediately recognized the name, David Kahne, and reviewed the Kerrang! interview where Chester says he literally hated the band. I was so bitter about the way he romanticized his involvement with the band. I had a feeling he was full of shit. I even made an impassioned blog about it, because clearly I have nothing better to do with my time. Ha. Good to know what was really up, though.

  32. analoggirl on February 20, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Mike, thanks so much for your detailed and informative entry. I can only imagine what it must’ve been like for the band at that time… We all know that you guys had to fight to protect your sound, (thanks to interviews and “Get Me Gone”), so it was interesting to see a real example with Plaster/One Step Closer. We’re lucky that you were true to yourselves and things went down the way they did! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Also, thanks to nkramar for finding the track and the websites for hosting it.

  33. nkramar on February 20, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    As much as I hate to put my name out there – Yes, I was the one who supplied the 4 sites with the track. Like I said at the time of release, credit really didn’t go to any of those involved, but rather credit should go exactly where it’s supposed to go – with the band and David Kahne for this version.

    I’ve still got 2 lingering questions (and hopefully Mike will be so kind as to fill us in):
    1) Is this the version of ‘Plaster’ that some claim to have heardbut seemed to get lost with time?
    2) Which version was downloaded and listened to, the mp3 or the lossless version? (That’s more for the webmasters and audiophiles involved).

  34. outlawserenade on February 20, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    A LPfuse staff member who will remain anon tracked down the CD and got hold of it

    oops.. I just un-anon him.. >.>

  35. outlawserenade on February 20, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Thank you for this piece of history, shinod. You just got yet another aw5Um point from me. But yeah, the credit don’t/can’t go to lpa alone.

    Thank you nkramar for finding it (and he’s out to find the other three. Mwahahaha), lpassociation.com lpfuse.co.uk lpprojekt.com and lplive.net for hosting it. And thank you the dude who finally let go of it! Haha.

  36. Chasy on February 20, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Thanks for explain all this to us, Mike! We really appreciate it๐Ÿ™‚
    Good to know, now. ^^

  37. Shinnizly on February 20, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Thank you for taking your time to explain all this to us
    We really appreciate it Mike๐Ÿ™‚

  38. LP13413 on February 20, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    ‘Plaster’ is a really good mix. I was surprised the first time I heard it. I wouldn’t mind hearing (if possible) earlier versions of ‘Plaster’.

  39. ChesterDEAN on February 20, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    It’s always nice to read this information from a reliable source, and what can be more reliable than you?. Thanks for taking your time on explaining these things to us. Good’nite!

  40. durg on February 20, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    weiiird.
    i definately thought when i heard it that it was the latest demo before the actual finished song, didnt think itd be really the ‘first’..
    & i definately didnt know those camera shutter sounds were in the finished song.. i have to go listen & try to hear them now.๐Ÿ˜„

  41. akitagirl on February 20, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Thanks Mike, this gives the fans a little bit of insight into what it takes to put out a record. I think what makes LP the special band that it is, is that you guys stood your ground knew who you were and what you wanted to put out there and did it without compromising yourselves or the music. See ya at the garden!!

  42. KATHYxx on February 20, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    wow, that’s very interesting.
    I think, in the end, i like Andy’s mix better though. The shutters are better low.

    PS: LPA didn’t do this themselves either.

    PS PS: long live sentences with no capitals in them!

  43. nillp on February 20, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    jazzy jaz, i didn’t notice too..

    and i feel the same way.. ._.’

    don’t worry.. u’r not alone..๐Ÿ™‚

  44. cuz on February 20, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Mike, thank you so much for the info! it’s so great you care about the fans๐Ÿ˜€ spending your free time writing this post for us… i hope we could hear other’s songs demos or maybe some XERO thing? would be sooo great!!! love you so much, hugs from Poland๐Ÿ™‚ take care and enjoy the shows. -cuz

  45. lpfanatic on February 20, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Hi Mike, thanks for all this info its really awesome to know these things – i think andy wallace was definately the right choice. you guys were right to stick with you’re gut instinct, although plaster sounds great too.
    also congratulations for you’re echo awards, you fully deserve them!๐Ÿ˜€ (and you more than deserve grammys in my opinion and we would have liked to see you win the brit awards for international artist too!)

  46. JazzyJaz on February 20, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    i find it funny that people are commenting on ur “bad grammar”.

    i just kind skimmed this real quick,so,i guess im the only one who didnt notice?? i feel…left out.๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    take care Mike,

    xxxJazzy Jazxxx

  47. nillp on February 20, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    thank u very much for clarify all this ‘plaster thing’..๐Ÿ™‚

    and yeah..

    the ‘shut up’ in the beggining, made it appears like a remix and really ruined the climax..

    anyway.. thanks for spend ur freetime with us writing this much and clarifying one thing that ^[i bet]^ all the fans wanted to know..๐Ÿ˜‰

    love ya ~ โ™ฅ

    mk’nil

  48. melbourne_is_better_than_sydney on February 20, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    wow thanks for that!!!

  49. BonyLP92 on February 20, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Hi Mike,im yvonne from Honduras really nice blog by the way….. i like it๐Ÿ™‚ !
    i read something about u were coming to Latin America…they posted it wasnt official by really i would like to know if its true.
    I hope u read this…:D and here i sent a link.. about what we did on our last day of classes last year im the one with black pants and orange with black shirt ๐Ÿ˜€

    i hope u like ( thats only a bit of what we really did๐Ÿ˜€ imagine one of ur shows here in Honduras :D:D:P)

  50. BonyLP92 on February 20, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Hi Mike,im yvonne from Honduras really nice blog by the way….. i like it๐Ÿ™‚ !
    i read something about u were coming to Latin America…they posted it wasnt official by really i would like to know if its true.
    I hope u read this…:D and here i sent a link.. about what we did on our last day of classes last year im the one with black pants and orange with black shirt ๐Ÿ˜€

    i hope u like ( thats only a bit of what we really did๐Ÿ˜€ imagine one of ur shows here in Honduras :D:D:P)

  51. Cheryl_PTT on February 20, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    oh yeah….

    we all Mike too

    Group Hug

  52. bec on February 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Don’t be modest Simon – LPFuse started the ball rolling with Plaster and deserve the credit!

    it was great work and everyone got excited about it

    Hugs Simon

    edit: simon also !http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/Gummibear_Queen/images.jpg!s Mike – as do we all

  53. Cheryl_PTT on February 20, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    p.s I heart simon

  54. Energy on February 20, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    No arguing It was a big group community effort. A LPfuse staff member who will remain anon tracked down the CD and got hold of it and documented it. An LPLive staff member got in touch with david and got info about the track. All the sites got together to release at the same time and provide promotion of the track. Group effort by the LP community for the community. LPA was one of the lucky 4 sites, so it’s all cool๐Ÿ™‚ LPA, LPFuse, LPLive, & LPProjekt all rock๐Ÿ™‚

    Energy (lpfuse) heheh

  55. bec on February 20, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    SPANKS MIKE

    bad grammar
    poor facts
    not reading his comments page

    he deserves no tonight

  56. Cheryl_PTT on February 20, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    that reminds me…spanks Mike

    Ive had trouble when designing marketing materials at work because I keep missing out capital letters. Mikes a very bad influence….

    Naughty Mike!

  57. LPPanther on February 20, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Actually Cheryl, one guy got the track and distributed it to four websites. Shame that Mike didn’t mention LPLive, LPFuse, LPProjekt, but can’t blame him, he’s a busy guy and LPA is the biggest fansite right now. Thanks for the insight Mike and if you get a chance check out LPLive, we have been documenting you guys setlists for all your shows over the years.

  58. bec on February 20, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    spanks Mike

    http://www.lpfuse.co.uk

    spanks Mike some more

    Additionally, please start using capital letters when writing huge entries – your sentences are impossible to follow

    spanks Mike again for bad grammar
    Kids – do not copy this awful writing style!!!!!!

  59. Cheryl_PTT on February 20, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    cough

    Aaaaactually Mike you may like to know i was the fellas over at lpfuse who tracked it down and released it out there first…

    Just so ya know…
    you wouldn’t want to make lil Simon cry now would ya – naughty Mike!

  60. sandra on February 20, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    wow! very interesting to read! great insides we otherwise probably would have never known.
    so thanks a lot for clarifying this for us, mike! how could we not love you for things like that!?๐Ÿ˜‰

  61. LaKennyLP on February 20, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    hello mike!๐Ÿ™‚

    thanks for explain out for us. wow, i didn’t know this ‘plaster’ version was the earliest!๐Ÿ™‚

    you know, i really really love all your work, but (i think all people thinks the same) these demo versions are like a treasures for me.
    they’re so special because all of them are from the oldes past, when i started to listen to you guys.๐Ÿ™‚
    as ‘plaster’ involves me, the hybrid theory EP and the hybrid theory DEMO album do it too.
    i could pay generous quantities of money to get the origininal ones.๐Ÿ™‚

    thank you mike for all. really love from spain,

    -mary

  62. MentalisFun on February 20, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Ahkay! Thanks…interesting bout the camera shutter…didnt even notice that till now…feels guilty and hides

  63. ManBearPig on February 20, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Hey Mike, thanks for clarifying and explaining out Plaster for us. It’s really nice to see you guys keeping up with our little discoveries. It’s also quite enriching to get your sentiments thrown in there. See you in Montreal and (mainly) London!

  64. Zara on February 20, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Thanks for clearing up all the details, a lot of us are really interested in the early (pre Hybrid Theory release) days of the band. Also I agree, I prefer the “shut up” bit towards the end of the song, this way the song intensifies and works its way up to it.

  65. sizedude on February 20, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    I love how you get invold in this sort of stuff and clear things up, I like “Plaster”, its deffently worth listening to/having, of corse the orginal is better, but it was nice to hear something from the past. Demos, instumentals sometimes even accpellas are an amazing treat (esspicaly as it gives others a chance to remix the songs themselves) it would explain why their are so many numb/encore remixs lol, but I still have a few FM instumentals on my playlist, their arn’t many LP ones to have unfortuntly.

    Jay Gordon just realsed a Pts.Of.Athrty demo/mix as well which was neat!

    Keep the blog up, loving every post!

  66. Anstice on February 20, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Yeah, Andy’s mix was definitely better. RAWR. Insight for the back-story to Plaster. I kept seeing people posting crap about it everywhere and was like, “What the Hell is Plaster?” Aaand now I know. Thanks for that๐Ÿ˜‰.

  67. Ellen on February 20, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Cool to read this story behind it๐Ÿ™‚
    thanks Mike.

  68. Daga280 on February 20, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    wow thats long but with every detail about this song…. thx Mike๐Ÿ™‚ But maybe have you got demos of another HT songs????? its always a pleasure to hear that ‘stuff’ (not yet finished version of tracks for example Crawling or In the End demos)….

  69. linkinparkfansid on February 20, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    thanks a lot for the info Mike!
    it was really useful.
    we figured that Kahne didn’t like LP much, you guys said so Kerrang!
    i think that the “camera shutter” thing was quite interesting
    and i agree with you….the “shut up!” in the intro really takes away the charm of the bridge part
    thanks!
    have a nice day!

  70. Kat on February 20, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    oh so this is what the “noise” was about in the last lpa post. haha that got close to 900 comments.

  71. LorenzoErr on February 20, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    The final version is definitely better. Thanks for taking the time to clear things up.

  72. Meg on February 20, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Thanks for the insight. I love Andy’s mix better.

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