Responses To Comments: 3G Auto-Off Mode

October 31, 2011

These comments are updated, from the comments on my last post:

dcl1982 on October 29, 2011 at 1:11 pm:
Larry King had an episode on this issue a few years ago. Consequently, I started seeing a whole bunch of people using blue-tooth.
M: From what I’ve now read, a bluetooth earpiece emits less radiation.  But an even safer way to go is a wired earpiece with a ferrite bead or just plain old speakerphone…Or no cel phone.

L. on October 29, 2011 at 10:33 am:
hey Mike, my iPhone switches to wifi if i’ve turned on the setting that remembers wifi networks that i’ve previously connected to. doesn’t that mean that 3G is off already? =/

M: I don’t think so.  If you see the 3G or phone icon at the top (even if the WiFi icon turns on) then your 3G is still enabled.  Your phone may be choosing to use WiFi for most functions, but it’s not guaranteed. 

Also, keep in mind that if you have fewer bars, your phone is working harder to get signal, and therefore is emitting more radiation.

 

kathyxx on October 29, 2011 at 9:49 am:
This is actually a difficult subject as the media puts a lot of muddle into it. The best way to become an expert on the subject is to skip the media, skip the anecdotes, and go straight to the scientific white papers. The ones with all the big complicated words in them. As far as KATHYxx knows, the dangers of cell phone radiation is exaggerated by media (Media lied about vaccines/autism. The sun is a more dangerous source of radiation. AM/FM radio waves are harmless, and I think each other type of protocol are using different strengths.  BUT I am no expert in radiation. Talk to me about computer science, but otherwise, go to Google Scholar and read the abstract and conclusions

M: This isn’t about media, to me. The W.H.O. made a statement about this, which I take seriously. Besides, I would rather weigh statements by reputable international sources than dive into the internet abyss, trying to pretend I can decipher scientific papers.

 

…And there was this exchange, on Twitter, between me and someone I’ve never met:

DrAwesome37: @m_shinoda in the second sentence of the second paragraph, you spelled cell with only one “l”, just thought you should know :-)

m_shinoda: @DrAwesome37, you forgot to punctuate your name.

@DrAwesome37: @m_shinoda I’m a fifteen year old boy, you’re a rockstar petitioning to change the OS for the most used phone in the world.

@m_shinoda: @m_shinoda is now following @drawesome37

@m_shinoda: @DrAwesome37 Even though I have no idea who you are, I’m going to follow you for a month, and see what happens.

(Follow me & the conversation on Twitter, here)

mike

62 Comments

  1. kaynyne on November 19, 2011 at 4:21 am

    Haha, gotta love the last one.

  2. thegluelpfan on November 18, 2011 at 4:15 am

    Well like I’ve said before it’s always good to be cautious even if it’s not proven to be that dangerous…but I do believe that it is not as safe as it’s promoted to be.Anyways looking forward to seeing the twitter craziness :D

  3. penneysound on November 15, 2011 at 9:56 pm

  4. javalorum on November 9, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Hmm … no one responded or even ask a question? That’s like the same reaction I get when I try to talk to my friends about work. :D It’s expected considering where I am. But I do want to add one more thing, the one app/phone feature I’d like to see, is to disable calls/SMS/data (except for notifications and emergency calls, regardless of headset use) when you’re in the driver seat of a car. It’s totally doable, and could totally save lives.

  5. williamlp on November 9, 2011 at 3:26 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7cAZSUbWkk Dont know if you’ll like but check it out:D its my bands first song:D Greek Metalcore :D

  6. williamlp on November 9, 2011 at 3:25 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7cAZSUbWkk Dont if you’ll like but check it out:D

  7. ristinw on November 7, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Mike, we miss your post. @0@ Where’d you go?

  8. nlopezdearenosa on November 7, 2011 at 6:27 pm

  9. javalorum on November 7, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Oh, and all of that talk above, is about the radio emission that’s required for you do data or voice calls. A phone also have some electrical radiation due to the capacitors/inductors/etc inside. All cell phones have to pass FCC’s tests for both type of radiation. I’d pass on an iphone cover that cuts 94% of radiation, because obviously it refers to the electrical radiation which is far, far less than the radio transmitter.

    And, a smartphone is not the only ones with radiation issue. All cell phones use the same 2G/3G/4G technology, for voice calls, SMS, and periodical updates to notify the towers of your location. A headset should be used if you’re in a voice call, with any phone.

  10. javalorum on November 7, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Continuing with last comment (I promise I don’t do this normally … but this subject is just not that simple): 2G just an very old technogy that waiting to be phased out. And it makes your data rate super slow(highest 2G speed 60kbps vs. highest 3G/HSPA 42.2Mbps and highest 4G/LTE 100Mbps).

    That being said, I personally use a headset whenever I can. The way radio transmission works, is that the level of power drops quickly with distance from the transmitter. So it makes a huge difference when your phone is next to your ear comparing to in your pocket. Well, some RF engineers at work refuse to put their phones in their pants pockets too. If you’re kind of concerned about that.

  11. javalorum on November 7, 2011 at 11:40 am

    I’m an EE in a wireless device company. Here’s some data on radio transmission if anyone’s interested:

    A typical device in 3G/4G network (power class 3) has transmit power of 24dBm (equivalent of 0.25W). It’s only 0.05W higher than a 802.11b/g/n wifi transmitter (23dBm, 0.20W). So personally, I wouldn’t go to airplane mode just for that. When you go to airplane mode, the network basically thinks you’re turned off. So you don’t get phone calls or SMS, which is, kind of important for a phone.

    A side note, since I saw some comments about turning off 3G on your iphone. Don’t. The phone actually transmit a lot higher power in 2G (30-33dBm, which is 1-2W).

  12. colinreid on November 6, 2011 at 5:05 am

    Make sure to tweet out #MTVEMA LINKIN PARK for the band to reach that #1 spot tonight!

  13. jdennis88 on November 5, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Mike, thought this might interest you, I just found out there’s an iPhone case that can reduce up to 94% of the radiation omitted from the phone. They’re called cellsafe. Here’s the link to their site;

    http://www.cellsafe.com.au/

  14. akismet-e6dc45582db9948a882d6fcf7146d38b on November 4, 2011 at 7:54 am

    I enjoyed your punctuation comment and also the aimless following by Drwhatchamacallhim. Linkin Park is the bestest greatest ever.

  15. thepixelpod on November 3, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    this is when i’m glad for don’t have a smartphone ;P

  16. Xenith on November 3, 2011 at 7:53 am

    With regards to the twitter follow, Iv’e always loved the way you make a point Mike lol

  17. ristinw on November 2, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    In the end…we won’t regret the things we did, but only the things we didn’t do. (= u =)

  18. ristinw on November 2, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    @YOURDEVOTEDFROGSTER: :D Thanks!
    @MAGEMEGENTO:Hey dude, I know how you feel. But we can’t expect the band to go to every corner of the world to satisfy each and every fan. Sometimes, we have to sacrifice a little bit to travel to the nearest country to watch the show, and I can tell you that it’s worth it! :D

  19. placekbananowy on November 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    God, I loved cell phones when they were like this one: http://www.mobile–phone.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/First-Cell-Phones.jpg

  20. magemegento on November 2, 2011 at 9:57 am

    WARNING- This comment is off-topic.
    But you need to know Mike!

    I have been a fan of your music since Grade 7 and I started saving for an LP concert ticket in this stupid tin can since grade 9 as far as I can remember. I have passed school and College and saved for a concert ticket and domestic return air-fare. I received my first pay-cheque 2 days ago and since you don’t care enough to come to India, I think I should buy a new smartphone with the Rs 25000/-($500), I have saved for your show(which does not happen). If you think I should hold on to that money, please tell me now.

    PS- Thank you for what you do!

  21. anvanoppens on November 2, 2011 at 7:12 am

    Hi
    I’m really sorry to have to spam with this again, but we’re running out of time! Keep voting for LP to win Best Rock & Best World Stage EMAs (they deserve to win both equally!). Voting possible for only 2 days! (EMAs will be in 4 days)
    http://tv.mtvema.com/artists/linkin-park
    Thank you!
    An (Belgium)

  22. yourdevotedfrogster on November 2, 2011 at 7:10 am

    @RISTINW You’re welcome and i agree about the financial reasons. ;)

  23. erimarika on November 2, 2011 at 5:10 am

    Sorry Mike, it seems my 3 comments(!) are stuck in moderation queue and I cannot modify them.
    Please feel free to delete them, I didn’t know why there are in the queue, but the reason I posted 3 times is because I didn’t know what was going on at first. Anyways sorry for the trouble, I didn’t mean to spam!

  24. 筱田の友 on November 2, 2011 at 2:18 am

    Hey Mike juz though you may like this phone
    [img]http://p.twimg.com/AdPOaO_CAAA0hYE.jpg:large[/img]

    It reduces radiation and is more comfortable=]

  25. doomsdaylol on November 2, 2011 at 12:28 am

    l o l. U R soooooo late on this topic….ll.

  26. ristinw on November 1, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    @YOURDEVOTEDFROGSTER: Thank you for reading the article I posted before. :D Since the cell phone radiation risk has only been proven theoretically, so I guess that it is maybe the reason why there isn’t any grounded source release to the public. However, I think the media won’t tell us everything we should know due to financial benefits. :)

  27. vickykun on November 1, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    How about buying an iWillGiveSomeMoneyToVicky?

    I assure that all your problems will be solved

    /sarcasm

    Now I´m serious. The radiation thing is too dangerous. I think is better to use your iPhone with Phones instead of putting it directly on your face.

    If you do that I guess it will be more safety to use your phone.

    That 3G Auto-off will be something expensive yet something very helpful for the Apple. Well, not too expensive since we´re talking about one of the most well-suceeded companies in the world.

    Kiss Kiss

  28. derekoswald on November 1, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    So I think you need to follow me on twitter (@DerekJOswald), because if you don’t I will be left with no other choice but to divide by zero which in turn could bring about the universe’s destruction. It’s imperative you follow me as soon as you can as the fate of the universe depends on it. Thanks Mike! -Derek

  29. shinodacakes77 on November 1, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Hahahaha I find that conversation extremely entertaining I keep reading it lol

  30. aravind221 on November 1, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    i agree on your point mike , u have been such a great inspirer for us fans to start using apple products i frankly bought an i phone 4 due to its excellent features + since u “give a thumbs up for apple products ”

    Now when it comes to radiations NOKIA’S top the chart its always been under chaos that their batteries are subjected to emit more harmful radiations than any other companies and if subjected to high temperatures climates might even explode. Its noit only just nokia’s but motorolas , Htc , sony erricsons even top the list check it out here >> http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-6602_7-291-2.html?tag= and there’s no Iphone in the list Glad its a bit safe compared to everything

  31. Radyo Plexus on November 1, 2011 at 11:10 am

    P.S

    Although, this comment is out of the topic but I just wanna say this to you.

    Mike, thanx for spending probably $1500/month just to connect with your fans (including me). Don’t worry we won’t stop to support you and your band. I grew up with your music and you really influenced me a lot. Just take care and stay safe! :)

  32. Radyo Plexus on November 1, 2011 at 10:24 am

    DrAwesome37 is kinda creepy, i think! hahahaha

  33. cincybmxlpfreak on November 1, 2011 at 7:32 am

    LOL! Mike. You’re smart. I don’t think scientific journals would be that hard for you to understand. And that 15 year old boy is awesome. Haha! Let us know how your following him works out. :P

  34. Nina Nine on November 1, 2011 at 1:39 am

    I will not comment because I never in my life had a I-phone or some “I”. I love the technology but it’s to expensive this stuff here in my country. And I could learn more in web sites, but when you have no idea about something, you can’t know who’s say the truth and who’s lie.
    So, I choose to know just what you want to share with us.

  35. yourdevotedfrogster on November 1, 2011 at 12:34 am

    @RISTINW Papers are rather funny to read. It’s either black or whith with them, never grey. First hand: Cells use, can increase Cancer. Second hand: On the contrary it’s good for us!!. What’s for sure now is: Radiations are everywhere around us and so far there are no known environmental factors associated with cancer!. (See my two previous posts links).
    You guys should take all those articles with a grain of salt as long as no any reliable source asks us to stop using cells we are ok. :)

  36. ristinw on October 31, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Radiation is good for our health.
    http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4409
    Do you guys believe that? :D

  37. Braffschein on October 31, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Oh and yeah, as for me, my favorite part of that nice conversation is:

    @m_shinoda: @DrAwesome37 – judging by your remarks thus far, this month may benefit my spelling and punctuation.

  38. Braffschein on October 31, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    You know, in my opinion, you just have to take it easier. It is NOT proved yet, and until it IS, is there really a need to panic? I believe that if cell phones really caused cancer, we’d be all dead or ill to death. Everyone uses cell phones nowadays! Cancer depends on a lot of other things, and the reasons for it mostly have nothing to deal with cell phones. The level of radiation is huge itself, in the world we live in. It’s like smoking, you know. You may have never tasted a single cigarette in your life, but then you get lungs cancer because you were surrounded by smokers.

  39. mattskates on October 31, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Hey Mike! I’m currently a research assistant and this is the nerd in me talking. The whole story is not usually fully reported. I came across a study that found a higher risk of brain tumor, but only if you are in a call for 8 straight hours, every single day, for 2 years –a low probability. Not to say all research can’t be trusted, many just think the overall evidence is not conclusive enough. Perhaps cell phones are only not okay if it’s in contact with your body all the time. But I think you’re right, it’s better to be safe than sorry. That’s probably W.H.O’s stance as well. Oh well, we’re better off having more face-to-face contact anyway :)

  40. 1oo71 on October 31, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Let us know what happens at the end of the month.

  41. Ally on October 31, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Husband has the the 3G iphone as well (the latest model), and he’s always on it; and on the 3G even when switched to wi-fi we think the 3G mode is off.

    Good luck with all this. I think though even though you tell everyone this or express it would people care even more then they do already?

  42. lpglennlp on October 31, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Hey Mike. The issue of radiation causing cancer is becoming quite big. But this is the first time ive heard about cell phones causing it. Although i dont own an iPhone, I gotta admit ya kinda scared me here :P. I was planning on getting an iPhone for Christmas, Do ya think i should change my mind?.
    Also:Sorry to hear about your friends that have been diagnosed with tumors, i hope their well.
    On a seperate note: Just wanna thank ya for the laugh. I think its hillarious when some loser has nothing better ta do then start an argument over an “L”. If i had a twitter id follow that conversation just ta see him humiliate himself again :D

  43. linkinparkette on October 31, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    oh so u guys are talking about cellphones. ohh i have one of those :3 and i have that 3g thingie.. at times its blue ;D and then it turns red D;
    but i dont know what it means :3

  44. Alexandra Nofi on October 31, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Whether or not radiation causes cancer, I can’t say for sure, the dispute is too great. What I can say for sure, is that radiation can kill someone if they are exposed to too much of it.

    Still, I can’t stress enough the usage of earphones/earbuds instead of putting the phone up to your head all the time. As Alan Grant said in the 3rd Jurassic Park film, “If I lose you, it’s just me and the damn tourists!”

  45. lpsoul on October 31, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    @Linkin Park Belgium Nah, he commented this in his last post: I heard Bluetooth is also bad for you. The pieces I saw recommended hard-wired headphones or speakerphone over bluetooth…

    Mike said he updated those comments from his last post xD

  46. alexabiol on October 31, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    You raised a matter that is the subject of dispute even within the scientific community.My dissertation was about the effects of electromagnetic radiation,it was mostly theoretical&indeed there is a maze of countless scientific reports supporting bothsides.There are papers that report from memory,concentration&sleep disturbance,fatigue&headaches,to brain tumors,acoustic neuromas&other types of cancer.At my university the team that was conducting experiments on fruit flies saw from reduction in fertility to DNA damage,&in mice from effect in short memory to ossification problems in embryos.We can’t of course translate these results directly to humans.We should usetheoffered technology wisely

  47. Linkin Park Belgium on October 31, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    He wrote those comments before that guy tweeted him

  48. lpsoul on October 31, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    M: From what I’ve now read, a bluetooth earpiece emits less radiation. But an even safer way to go is a wired earpiece with a ferrite bead or just plain old speakerphone…Or no cel phone.

    Hehehe Mike still spelled cell wrong even though @DrAwesome37 already corrected him earlier xD

  49. yourdevotedfrogster on October 31, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Mike i found an article from the “Scientist American” saying
    “Radiation from Cell Phones Flagged as “Possibly”– Not Probably–Carcinogenic. Let me know what you think about it. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2011/05/31/radiation-from-cell-phones-flagged-as-possibly-not-probably-carcinogenic/
    Sorry if i sounded mouthful on my previous post but I really though W.H.O article was a little bit excessive.
    You guys can follow me on Twitter by the way there @http://twitter.com/#!/RandomnessEpic

  50. yourdevotedfrogster on October 31, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    @Nutritionnelles I would like to read what you wanted to say though! :D

  51. nutritionelles on October 31, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    I feel like if I say something somebody with more knowlege, vocabulary and grammar skills will crush whatever my comment may be on the ground really painfully and embarrassingly, so I’ll keep my mouth shut. I do still think that this is one of the most intresting conversations on mikeshinoda.com so far.

  52. EpicLinkinPark on October 31, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    This made me realize how important it is to be extra careful, when using cell phones. I have an iphone as well and was sorta shocked on how much radiation is used. I normally use speaker phone, but I use the apps constantly. Thanks for posting this and I have RTed this, I hope others will too. It’s important to know how much radiation is being used.

  53. yourdevotedfrogster on October 31, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    W.H.O didn’t state anything new, Radiations aren’t good nothing new here but we’re still evolving with those machines and nothing had proved so far cells were really “dangerous” they can increase a possible cancer risk yes like plenty of other stuff, even butter was considered as carcinogenic a while back. You guys are getting paranoid if you ask me. As long as nothing proves we can get a Brain tumor via cells TV or microwaves and others we shouldn’t be alarmed. Honnestly if all those stuff were that risky we wouldn’t use anything and we’d live like Amishs. Go read Wikipedia about Brain tumor and have a good night sleep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_tumor

  54. Linkin Park Belgium on October 31, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    As I suggested before, a delete/edit button on your comments posted here would be pretty useful

  55. nihaaal on October 31, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    I gotta agree with the statement regarding W.H.O.
    you could not accuse them of exaggerating things to cover up their asses, unless you have any legit proof.
    (remember one of the human rights: you are innocent until proven guilty? hehe)
    but I really hope mike didn’t get hyped up over that 15 years old boy. there will always be these people, and all I do is just laugh it off.

    seriously guys, he’s just stating his opinion. can’t people state their opinion without getting bashed these days?

  56. kathyxx on October 31, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    I also can’t edit my posts. I have to eat whatever I type first, even if I immediately realize it’s wrong. What i said below was wrong. Yesterday was wrong too. This also makes me have to post multiple times, and I already know you don’t like that.

  57. kathyxx on October 31, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    It’s really really really really hard for me to fit these serious topics in 700 characters. That last sentence took 100 off o me. And I really doubt anyone would follow external links.

    I shouldn’t have bothered on account that I didn’t get to explain the whole picture I wanted to. Or to recommend a better process, since I recommended a dumb one because it was shorter to type. The best thing to do is to get multiple reputable sources, instead of believing just one. I go to skeptic sources rather than general ones. I follow blogs from scientists. I have a ton of stuff on my RSS feed. I think the WHO are covering their asses. They are a political establishment, not a scientific one.

  58. Linkin Park Belgium on October 31, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    But I don’t think it’s only iPhone. Probably all possible cellphones can be risky…

  59. Shinoda's Army on October 31, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I hope he’s not offensive.
    The comments awaiting for moderation don’t count, right? There’s a little suggestion: since the iPhone is this dangerous, why don’t you try a change? Like Samsung has nice phones with a faster internet (Galaxy S2, Nexus S etc). Sure, they aren’t iPhones, but they work just like one, they only cost less and have less radiations. Is an iPhone more important than health? Try them

  60. Linkin Park Belgium on October 31, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Haha! Colin is totally right, Mike (LPU chat needs you once in a while, least xp)
    I’ve seen the comments in the comment section & been following the tweets pretty much… It’s really great to see you’re open to conversations with fans, we love it! Big thanks!
    (PS, if you come to chat, don’t forget to bring a phone =D)
    An (@LPBelgium)

  61. evooba on October 31, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Well, all that’s left to say I guess is radiation or not, we never know so it’s good to take protection and be more careful. Good luck with that guy. LOL :P

    On a random note, I was checking the app store today and I was wondering if you’d recommend the iMaschine app. Is it as good as the actual thing?

  62. colinreid on October 31, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    LPU Chat? It’s been a while dude

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